Moms for Modesty Part II

by chilihead on September 5, 2006

in moms for modesty

Toddled
Dredge
did a post on the semantics of modesty vs. dignity. I find her
argument compelling, but for the sake of continuity with Jules’
original post
I will use modesty here.

“The way we dress . . . is a sign of who we are and how we
wish to act in the world. It is vital that we get this language right.” – Carol
Moynihan

When one reads about the
issue of modesty in dress it is almost always related directly to religion.
When I Googled “modesty in girls” about 65% of the articles I found were
religion-based. This bothered me because I am not religious and I have a real
problem with what passes for modesty in our society right now. In Michelle
Malkin’s wonderful Clare
Booth Luce Institute speech
she discusses at one point a network that encourages Catholic girls to “stand
up for their faith and their values in an increasingly secular and hostile
world.” Although I agree with just about everything Ms. Malkin has to say in
her speech, I want to point out that not all of us secular moms are hostile or
condone the sexuality that is passing for morality in our society today. In
fact, I know many secular moms who find themselves in the same boat as the moms
citing scripture and we’re all fighting for the same thing: modesty. This isn’t
only a religious issue. For me it is a family issue, a societal issue. I feel
strongly that my daughter be raised modestly and that she and I have choices
that do not include thong underwear, t-shirts with double entendres, and
dresses that look like something adults would wear to a disco.

We are living in a society
that no longer delays gratification. We don’t have to. Everything we desire is
a click or a phone call away. We can overnight it. It can be delivered to our
door in 30 minutes or it’s free. As adults we are so used to getting what we
want when we want it that we forget it wasn’t always that way. We pass this
sense of entitlement on to our children.

Wild Thing and I were
playing dress up one day. We even did each other’s hair and make-up. Wild Thing
then wanted to take a trip to the mall to show off our finery. I said no. She
demanded to know why. So we sat down and as I cleaned off her make up and took
down her hair I explained that we were only pretending. She was still a little
girl and little girls have things to look forward to. If she were to have
everything given to her at once (like going out of the house with make-up on)
she would not have anything to look forward to and she would not appreciate the
day she could finally wear make-up out of the house. We have had to have the
discussion about several things and she has taken it well. She understands that
with growth and maturity come responsibility and privilege. She understands,
too, that those things are earned.

Last May, when Wild Thing
turned six, I did a post
on a particular toy and why we could not keep it
. I have complained about
inappropriate toys and clothing to my friends, but I have not done anything about it. I simply do not
buy them. Then last week my very good friend Jules began a discourse on modesty
in children’s clothing
. I have thought and thought about it for a week. I began
looking online to see what I could find and what other people thought. This
post is a compilation of what I found.

Back in 2004 11-year-old Ella
Gunderson wrote a letter to Nordstrom’s telling them she didn’t much like their
limited choice of clothing options and that she felt she had to go around half
naked if she shopped there. She caught the attention of two Nordstrom
executives and the media. Nordstrom’s promised to try to provide more variety.
In a FoxNews.com article More Girls Push
Retailers to Sell Modest Clothing
fashion experts said “a more modest
look is in.” A Seventeen magazine
fashion editor is quoted as saying, “If modesty is what she’s looking for, it’s
going to come full force in the fall. We like to call this new girl Miss
Modesty. It’s such a different feeling but still very pretty and feminine and
sexy. It’s just a little more covered up. It’s kind of like a sexy take on a
librarian.”

 I want to point out a few
things here:

  • This is the fashion editor for Seventeen. Not Elle. Not Cosmo. Seventeen. How old were you when you read that magazine? I was about 13. Think about the fact that they are pushing sexy librarian clothing to tweens and early teens and saying that it’s modest (“We like to call this new girl Miss Modesty.”).
  • Either they are missing the point (we do not want sex sold to our children) or they think we are idiots and we will be so enamored with the ideas of Miss Modesty and librarian we won’t notice the word sexy thrown in there.
  • Do any of you remember the Hot for Teacher video from Van Halen in the 80s? Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the sexy librarian a fantasy for most tween/teen/men? This is not what I want being marketed to my daughter.
  • This article is from 2004. It’s now almost the end of 2006. I don’t remember any of this coming to fruition so it’s all kind of moot, isn’t it? It appears to me that we are simply getting a lot of lip service and very little action.

 In her speech Ms. Malkin
brought up something else I was completely unaware of: In 2004, Abercrombie
& Fitch marketed thong underwear to size 6x and above (honestly I have no
idea if they are still marketing this). This underwear (can you even call it
underwear?) had the words Eye Candy
or Wink Wink written on the front.
Hampton Carney, spokesman for A&F, called the thongs, “cute and fun and
sweet.” Malkin gives the definition of “pedophilia
chic:
A grown man getting paid to say that he thinks dressing pre-teens
in rearless underwear is “cute and fun and sweet.’”

Disturbing? To say the very
least. In what alternate reality is this acceptable? Every parent that shrugs
their shoulders and just goes with the flow because their child whines and says
all the other kids are doing it should be shot. Your job as the parent is to
set limits and enforce those boundaries. Show some strength and stamina and
raise these kids! Pick your battles, yes, but make sure you are picking the
right ones. At some point our children may decide to rebel. It is the nature of
the teen to look for shock value and re-test those boundaries. As parents that
time will undoubtedly be stressful. I hope I will have done a good enough job
instilling a sense of modesty and self esteem in my children that no matter
where they go or how far they push they will have in themselves a sense of when
to stop.

I’m pretty laid back. I make
mistakes. I say live and let live. Some things, though? Some things I cannot
let go. Some things I will fight for that may seem to make no sense to others.
Some things I will go to the mattresses for on principle alone. I will fight
and argue and stew even when there is no point in going on simply because of
the principle. Is this one of those issues? Does this issue have no hope? I
think it does have hope. I know it has principle. Let’s pull together and make
a difference. A real difference. Not a difference that would have happened
anyway because that’s-the-way-the-trend-was-going,
but an honest to goodness we-heard-you-and-we-get-it
difference. A we-respect-you-and-your-child
difference. We can do this. Go
sign Jules’ petition
. Write your own post and link it up. Grab the button
and put it on your site. Let your voice be heard.

{ 15 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Pass the Torch September 5, 2006 at 4:38 am

You’ve successfully sounded “remotely intelligent” here, Chilihead, maybe even remotely brilliant;) There are so many rotten messages thrown at our kids every day, that sometimes moving to nomansland sounds like the best option. I don’t know what kind of impact the petition can have, but I’ll certainly sign it. More importantly, though, is the discussion all of this generates — between parents, and with kids. You’re honesty and high expectations with your daughter will make a difference in her future choices. Well done.

2 Everyday Mommy September 5, 2006 at 7:52 am

I’m walking around wearing the proud look! That’s MY friend, Chilihead! Look at what she wrote!
One of your most brilliant, well-written and compelling posts. You have summarily captured the heart of the issue and placed it eloquently on “paper”.
Well done!

3 Shannon in Arizona September 5, 2006 at 8:46 am

This is a great post. I could not have said it better myself (actually I know I coulnd’t have written this). I very much enjoyed reading it.

4 Rabbit September 5, 2006 at 9:09 am

Wow, Chilihead, what a remarkable post. Bravo! I’ll go to the mattresses with you on this one, fighting tooth and nail. It’s about protecting all our kids, and in this instance it DOES take a village (or a mob of bloggers) to raise our voices and demand a change.

5 Erin September 5, 2006 at 9:46 am

Great post! It’s true, you don’t have to know scripture to feel this way. Little girls are being turned into caricatures of themselves for the pleasure of big business. Good for you for being vigilant in the face of that unwanted gift.

6 veronica September 5, 2006 at 9:48 am

Excellent post, Chilihead. Cerebral, even. (And thanks for the nod to me). I think you managed to write a compelling post and a stirring call to arms without engaging in the tendentious stuff that creeps me out a little.
I loved the Carol Moynihan article you linked to. It had a lot of good challenges for me about modelling style for my daughters; I tend to withdraw from the whole competition of fashion instead.

7 Goslyn September 5, 2006 at 10:24 am

Well written Chili. I have signed Jule’s post, and as soon as I figure out how to steal the button I will post one of my own.
But … I think we also need to be aware of what our boys are wearing – while the boy clothes aren’t as blatently sexual, I see a lot of boys shirts with disrespectful and rude slogans. My 11-year-old nephew owns one that says “Nine out of 10 people think you are an idiot.” The kicker? When my sister gave it to him last year, he couldn’t read it. She had to read it to him.
Hm.

8 Sarah September 5, 2006 at 2:03 pm

The good thing is that women’s shorts this year are offering longer inseams. There are still short ones for sale but I was able to purchase some that I didn’t hang out of. Hopefully the children’s clothing will continue to get better.
At Babies R Us today I saw bibs with “queen”, “spoiled rotten,” “future hunk,” etc. I cannot believe it.

9 dcrmom September 5, 2006 at 9:15 pm

Well said! THANK.YOU.

10 momrn2 September 5, 2006 at 10:04 pm

Standing, clapping, and screaming loudly, “Bravo, Bravo, Bravo!!” Can you hear me??
This was an excellent post!!! Great Post!

11 aggiejenn September 6, 2006 at 8:50 am

Well said. It’s such an important issue for EVERYONE-moms/dads of girls AND boys! Thanks for your viewpoint.

12 Heth September 7, 2006 at 10:42 pm

Wonderful post Chili.

13 Janice September 10, 2006 at 1:11 am

Woohoo – great post!

14 Robin (PENSIEVE) September 11, 2006 at 11:36 am

More air up your skirt, girlfriend :) . Your rant is my rant, and since you’ve already spoken so well, I’ll just say “ditto”.
I’m planning on writing about this soon (in support of Jules’ petition), I’ll have to link back to you. This is good stuff here, chickarita.

15 Sandra January 8, 2007 at 10:37 am

Hello,
I found your wonderful site, while looking up Modesty. You see I sell Modesty dresses on eBay. They are all handmade by the Amish and Mennonite women from Lancaster, Pa. I would like to reach more women that are looking for the Modest Way of Dressing. But the only way I can list on eBay is through women’s dresses, under Amish/Mennonite, and most women do not know to look under that. So knowing I’m missing many women seeking Modest Dresses. If you could pass my site onto your fellows, you would be doing a great service, not just for me, but for many Christian Women around the World. Because I know Modesty is the way the Lord wants us to dress, but I’m having trouble reaching the Women that desire to follow the Lord.
Here is a Link to my site:
Store name: AMISH/MENNONITE DRESS
Store URL: http://stores.ebay.com/AMISH-MENNONITE-DRESS
Blessings, Sandra

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